The chinstrap was secured directly to the helmet brim and the liner was held into the skull with a single rivet on the top. Brodie helmets - How to identify By depaor01 4 January , 2013 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia depaor01 Old Sweats 2.2k Location:Dublin, Ireland Posted 4 January , 2013 Could somebody post a beginner's guide to what exactly a Brodie helmet is, if there was any other type of British helmet in WWI, and how they differed from WW2? Remembered Today:
The M1 came in two parts, a hard metal shell or cap on the outside, and an inner liner hat made out of softer and more malleable materials. Pasted as rich text. if (month<10) month="0"+month
A Kevlar casque, covered in a sheath of pale-brown desert camouflage cloth, it has a neoprene olive-drab band around the helmet's lower rim, with the soldier's name embroidered on it in black.. And use of the M1 helmet did not end in 1945; far from it. Royal Horse Artillery who died 16/03/1917 VARENNES MILITARY CEMETERY France '
''Everyday you think of living. dailyinfo[17]=' PLY/3566 Private Samuel ROBINSON H.M.S. 2012-2023 WW2HELMETS.COM. The development of a replacement model, the Mark II, and its widespread distribution from 1940 onwards meant that the evacuation from Dunkirk was one of the last military campaigns during which the original Brodie was worn extensively by British troops. Here is an image ( sorry for bad quality) Upload or insert images from URL. loop/lug was first used on the British MKI* and MKII helmets. Royal Engineers who died 31/01/1919 COLOGNE SOUTHERN CEMETERY Germany '
Original WW1 US English AEF 79th ID British BRODIE M1916 Tommy 79 Helmet. Share 9 posts Mariner109 16 Gefreiter Mar 27, 2010 #1 My buddy has a Brodie Helmet which he might be offering for sale. I am not sure if the colour is original, as most pictures shown here are of a lighter green. Fully restored with river gravel finis, M16 LW transitional helmet. Yet its use did not stop there. With New Vegas, I luckily was able to use the NCR Trooper Helmet, but there is no helmet like that in this game. ", You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. depaor014 January , 2013 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia. It's definitely a British Mk I helmet. Royal Warwickshire Regiment who died 12/03/1918 ST. var month=mydate.getMonth()+1
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There were at least six British helmet manufactures and nine steel suppliers. Regards, Paul. U.S. P17 chinstrap bail The steel cap could not be used without the liner, but the liner could be worn on its own and indeed was regularly employed for this purpose in ceremonial settings within the army, or as protective headgear in civil society, by, for instance, policemen and fire brigades. A heat stamp of 50A with an 'S' beneath it on a Schlueter manufactured helmet. Helmets and Headgear. This is an excellent true combat example of a genuine Canadian Mark 1 steel helmet that is dated 1941. The Great War Forum Limited 5th Bde. Production increased rapidly in 1916 and by that summer over a million units had been produced. In the case of the British Mark I there is typically a letter followed by a slash followed by another letter. Yet there is one piece of military headgear from the twentieth century which was used not just in the Second World War, but also in the Korean War, the Indochina or Vietnam War, the Iran-Iraq War, the Falklands War, the Yugoslav Wars, the First Gulf War and a range of smaller conflicts such as the Cambodian Civil War and several localized clashes in Central America and the Caribbean during the 1970s and the 1980s. He was the head ofthe South-West ministry of publics works. Canucks? Sparks Withington Co - Jackson - Michigan. MILITARIA COLLECTING Want to read more? Menu. Paste as plain text instead, Colloquially, it was also called the shrapnel helmet or Tommy helmet, and in the United States known as a doughboy helmet. The high temperature of the oven caused the lead based paint to melt briefly before hardening which encapsulated the saw dust particles securing them to the helmets surface. brodie helmet All Auction Buy it now 386 results Service Type Country/ Organization Era Issued/ Not-Issued Condition Price Buying format All filters WW 2 BRODIE NFS Helmet 1940. dailyinfo[29]=' Oberleutnant zur See Axel Carl Ludwig VON SCHOENERMARCK S.M.S. dailyinfo[15]=' SS/342 Able Seaman Henry George SMITH (RFR/CH/B/5534). dailyinfo[21]=' L/32287 Driver John Frampton GAZE "O" Bty. Available in two sizes: ABB9300-1 58 cm, US 7 (Small) ABB9300-2 61 cm, US 7 5/8 (Large) A note on sizing, larger size liner may protrude slightly from the bottom of the helmet. I have had a good look at your helmet again and managed to find another one to compare,This is an American, Here is a British made helmet from the same period, look at the rim joint how clean the joint is put together, now take a look at the rim joints.
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Thank you for your reply. Over the next nearly four years down to the end of the war in August 1945 over 22 million M1s were produced, either for use by America or its allies. Sorry for the long post and thanks for any info you can give me. Significantly, over 400,000 Brodies were sold to the United States for use in France after they joined the war in April 1917. The Brodie had also been employed in this way by the British in the inter-war period. The design of the helmet is familiar to anyone who has seen a First World War movie.
This style of helmet had been in use since the 1st World War and was often colloquially known as the Tommy helmet in the UK or as the Doughboy helmet in the US. Though, my opinion is that the helmet is an American M1917. The British cleverly dealt with this problem by issuing their men with a Hessian cloth cover. By this time a number of additional changes had been introduced to the rim design and the helmet was now known as the Mark I. Our philosophy is simple, we want to help people to own a piece of World War II history. It looks like it's stamped 'JSS' above the date marking, which is the maker's mark for Joseph Sankey & Sons Ltd, who produced helmet shells from 1938 to 1941. dailyinfo[16]=' 22659 Serjeant George SNELL Military Medal "T" Bty. The constant handling a helmet would receive in the field would compress the saw dust finish. Frank Harrison EDINGER Army Chaplains Department who died 26/02/1918 HOLLYBROOK MEMORIAL, SOUTHAMPTON United Kingdom '
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The British did have an upgrade that was never adopted by the Americans. During the war, the Company took part in fire watching duties, manned a gun at the exit to Westminster Underground Station and undertook a wide variety of training schemes. dailyinfo[20]=' 10259 Private Charles BUCHANAN 1st Bn. A heat stamp of 305B on a McCord manufactured helmet. BRODIE HELMET $110. Mar 08, 2023 1914-18 WW1 ARMY SWORD & SCABBARD $20. The following is an identification guide for vintage military helmets of Spain. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. In fact they all look the same to me apart from the liners 5 seconds on the google http://thebrodiehelmet.weebly.com/. You can contact the auctioneer on +353 1 282 6107 for more information. The helmet is an American M1917 made for the American Expeditionary Force, but very few made it to, The stamp mark on the helmet looks like ZC 3 which is thought to belong to the Edward. Hi Tom, it looks to me like it might be a Home Guard helmet but I will let Colin give his opinion first. With a liner most HS shells are running around $150.00 on most sites. BlackWatch 5 years ago. dailyinfo[15]=' SS/342 Able Seaman Henry George SMITH (RFR/CH/B/5534). About this item Reproduction of the World War Two British Brodie Helmet complete with a sprung webbing chin strap. The British troops followed with the Brodie helmet. colour is the paint finish of the helmet, in the photo it looks blue/grey ?. ww1, field, identification, tag, a e wilson, 10th, ambulance. Royal Air Force who died 24/02/1919 LINCOLN (NEWPORT) CEMETERY United Kingdom '
if it is red underneathit could have been. The Brodie was the first modern military helmet developed by Britain. Keeping a village shop going, Upcoming changes to logging in - click here, GWF is free to use so please support the Forum. Royal Air Force who died 24/02/1919 LINCOLN (NEWPORT) CEMETERY United Kingdom '
Awesome, thanks for the replies. Missing the chinstrap and liner. The front is marked in original period paint: Mac Kay C.WU The paint is 100% original. Here's how to install a American M17 helmet liner video part 1 and 2. Was wondering if anyone could give some more info on it. . helmet Bowl-shaped steel helmet showing remains of crude dappled camouflage colours of light brown and mid-green on an apple green field. The British 'Tommy'
The Brodie helmet is a steel combat helmet designed and patented in London in 1915 by Latvian inventor John Leopold Brodie (Latvian: Leopolds Janno Braude).A modified form of it became the Helmet, Steel, Mark I in Britain and the M1917 Helmet in the US. The result in 1940 was the M1, which was effectively an altered version of the M1917. of a WW1 helmet this normally means it's milder steel used and not for combat use. shells were re-used by the civil defence services. Capac = Capac Manufacturing Co - Michigan. I don't think FKS has been definitively pinned down, but most sources say it represents Firth & Sons Ltd. dailyinfo[3]=' 45 Gunner HAZURA SINGH 31st Mountain Battery Indian Mountain Artillery who died 03/03/1920 TEHRAN MEMORIAL Iranm '
During the 1920s, the Army investigated several designs. dailyinfo[2]=' 8020 Serjeant Charles POOLE "C" Coy. I would say the paintwork on your helmet is original. if (year < 1000) year+=1900
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dailyinfo[23]=' 9656 Private Isaac COOPER "A" Coy. The Liner maker is R.H.Long 1917 and the other liner stamp mark could be an Army. var daym=mydate.getDate()
The liner can always be a replacementthough that style screams WWI and should be held in place with a rivet.. The British helmet is made from 21 gauge steel, while the American helmet is made from 19 gauge steel. In addition, the heads of soldiers had relatively greater exposure than other body areas above the parapets in the European trench warfare of that period, and the British "Brodie" helmet and the nearly identical U.S. Marine Corps Doughboy helmet gave insufficient protection to the back of the skull (in contrast to the protection afforded by . I'm thinking the lettering could refer to a department he possibly. dailyinfo[31]=' 420628 Sapper William Bayne YOUNG 63rd Field Coy. The doughnut was added for the wearers comfort. Columbian Enameling & Stamping Co - Terre Haute - Indiana. Sign up for a new account in our community. Leinster Regiment who died 27/02/1918 JERUSALEM MEMORIAL Israel and Palestine (including Gaza) '
dailyinfo[14]=' 16511 Private Albert COLEMAN "D" Coy. I think I have read it is thought to be another mark of Firth and sons, but that make no reason for the K. I think it is quite a common mark though. Some form of identification may be required if you are unknown to us. Developed by John L. Brodie, the Model 1915 "Brodie" helmet, also known as the "Tommy" helmet, was the first steel helmet introduced to British soldiers during WW1. First thing is to see if you can figure out the unit emblem on the helmet. Middlesex Regiment who died 25/02/1921 LADYWELL CEMETERY United Kingdom '
Soldiers wearing the recently issued Brodie helmet on the Western Front, 1916 More details: NAM. English: The "Brodie" shrapnel helmet was the flat steel helmet worn by British Empire troops in the first and second world wars, and U.S. troops in World War I. The M1 became the standard issue helmet for American servicemen during the Second World War following the USs entry into the conflict in the aftermath of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour in December 1941. The American P17 chinstrap bail negated the flaws of the British design. The helmet was manufactured in just one stamping procedure. (Jeff McIntosh/The Canadian Press via AP) - 2NHRH10 from Alamy's library of millions of high resolution stock photos, illustrations and vectors. Display as a link instead, Highland Light Infantry who died 19/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France '
It was owing to its shape that the German forces on the Western Front began to refer to the helmet as the Salatschssel or salad bowl. Both were manufactured using a similar process. blue brodie helmet(or not) identification; Display your banner here. Sign up for a new account in our community. The first Brodie helmets entered service in September 1915 but the number of them being produced at this early date was so limited that they were stored in the trenches and given to individuals who were most susceptible to attacks on a given day. dailyinfo[21]=' L/32287 Driver John Frampton GAZE "O" Bty. dailyinfo[22]=' 25368 Quartermaster Serjeant Leonard Henry CADE Meritorious Service Medal 12th Coy. Royal Marine Light Infantry who died 17/03/1918 BELLAVISTA OLD BRITISH CEMETERY Peru '
Those U.S. forces that worked with the French Army wore the Adrian Helmet. Both manufacturers stamped their helmets with a two to four-digit number followed by a letter, but Schlueter also stamped an 'S' beneath their heat stamps. I need your help to identify this helmet shell. Will be adding helmets to the page soon, alexanderandsons
2nd Bn. Heres a photo of a little of the remaining paint, it seems dark grey/green to me, and a photo of the inside. dailyinfo[12]=' 457 Lance Corporal Arthur Price ROWE 2nd/7th Bn. I bought aBrodie helmet and I'm not sure from witch war or time the helmet is from. Your previous content has been restored. whitman75 6 years ago. From left to right: A pair of clamped chin straps with male snaps for the parachutist M1 helmet and liner next to a pair of standard infantry chinstrap used from early 1950s to the mid-1970s. The sellers description may read, American WWI helmet or British WWI helmet. Helmets such as this did not leave the factory this way. Both the British and American helmets have marking stamped into the steel on the underside of the helmets skirt. 1999-11-70-31 The Brodie design featured a brim 2in (5cm) wide, which protected the head and shoulders from above. There is also a drill hole on rear of the brim. At the outbreak of WWII, the U.S. military . Display as a link instead, Both helmets are made from hardened manganese steel. The Spanish helmet had a great deal of German influence because Germany equiped the Spanish armed forces during its civil war. While British and American helmets may be painted similar colors the finishes on the two type of helmet differ. One of the main purposes of it was to essentially allow the head to breathe and sweat inside the steel cap. Accordingly, the American government purchased hundreds of thousands of Brodie helmets from the British as a stop-gap measure. While the US Manufacturers developed their own M1917 helmet and got production, up to speed, very few of the M1917s made it to the Western Front before the Armistice. While the M1917 and Brodie helmets appear very similar, a few characteristics like the chinstrap ball, construction material and paint were slightly different. There are 3 letters painted on the front i think it could be either one of these combinations: 6 Reserve Lorry Park Royal Air Force who died 28/02/1919 BELGRADE CEMETERY Belgium '
Antique World War II helmet stamped and dated 1942 Canadian Army Brodie helmet made by General Steel Wares of Toronto shopatlanticcanada (133) $191.29 Vintage WWII Army Helmet 1940s Canadian Brodie MKII WyrembelskisVintage (1,643) $165.00 vintage army metal doughboy helmet IronCharlie (31) $345.00 FREE shipping sizes 54cm to 62cm. Yet, as well will now see, the Brodies legacy was even greater, for it provided the template for the more influential M1 helmet which was developed in America and which is the most significant military helmet of the twentieth century. The PASGT helmet was a new generation of combat helmet, being made from nineteen layers of Kevlar, a light-weight synthetic fibre material which offered higher levels of protection than the manganese-steel alloy from which the M1s had been manufactured. First issued in 1915, The M-15's distinct shape and effectiveness on the battlefield paved way for future .
British Nurse Vera Brittain, http://warrelics.eu/forum/helmets/ww1-b met-16128/. It wasundoubtedly a welcomerelief from having the helmet constantly bounce up and down on the top of the wearer skull while running across no mans land. Unfortunately, your registration has been declined by the auctioneer. 3rd Bn. "We Cannot Always Buy What We Want, But We Buy What We Can". The most widely recognised Air Raid Warden's helmet insignia is the two-inch high 'W'.Depending on the air raid warden's rank he would have either a black helmet with white 'W' or a white helmet with black 'W' (plus one or two one-inch bars (separated by a half-inch gap) to denote seniority within the wardens' service).However, there are a thousands of helmets from various localities with a . arrived in France in 1917 wearing wool campaign hats, which would have beenunsuitablefor trench combat. (Salonika) Territorial Force Nursing Service who died 01/03/1918 KNOWLE (SS. var dailyinfo= new Array(31)
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dailyinfo[18]=' 6422 Private Charlie GILBERT 4th Coy. 4th Bn. dailyinfo[1]=' Staff Nurse Edith Mary CAMMACK Associate of the Royal Red Cross, 2nd Class 4th Southern Gen. Hos. DPH $11295 [1] Contents 1 Background Here's a list of WW2 American Helmet Liner Makers. After 1936 a new helmet was produced by McCord Radiator Co, the helmets were stamped with 1 or 2 digit numbers, and 1 letter on the rim, all the helmets have the same paint and texture when in factory condition unlike the modified. Frankston RSL Sub Branch Munition, German 75 mm. Heavily distressed #re, Specters in the Snow, the story of Finlands Skeleton Helmet, Sinister in Black, the Pre-War Helmet of the SS, The German helmet of the Normandy Campaign, The Tsars French Helmet, the Imperial Russian Adrian, Visiting the Baltic with Alexander & Sons, Understanding WWII German helmet insignia, Whats inside, German helmet liners 1920-1940, Geronimos helmet, a short history of the U.S. M2, A Short History of the German Steel Helmet of the Great War. These original British Brodie helmets were designated the Mk 1 Steel Helmet, and nicknamed after the inventor who designed and patented them in 1915, "John Leopold Brodie". Follow. It does not have that stamp so it is probably one from world war 2 then. British Mark I Brodie Helmet. . A soup dish style helmet from the Great War, offered for sale islabeledincorrectly. As for the number/letter code, that is the code for the manufacturer and the manufacturer's lot number. Royal Welsh Fusiliers who died 11/03/1915 FAUQUISSART MILITARY CEMETERY, LAVENTIE France '
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The main part of the helmet was the steel shell or cap which was produced from non-magnetic Hadfield Steel, a steel and manganese alloy similar to that which the British had begun to employ to make the Brodie helmet as early as 1916. Powered by Invision Community, US WW1 and WW2 Brodie Helmets and Maker Stamps. It was also used regularly for cooking or heating up food, though the practice was discouraged, as over time it made the metal more brittle and the helmet less effective at protecting the wearer if he was shot in the head. never received helmet covers while in France. 14th Bde. Category. dailyinfo[11]=' Captain Charles Edmund WOOD Mentioned in Despatches Adjt. Thanks for the info lads. While the basic structure of the M1 remained relatively unchanged in the years that followed, the liner went through many different designs. Lincolnshire Regiment who died 05/03/1916 CITE BONJEAN MILITARY CEMETERY, ARMENTIERES France '
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The insignia is for the US 77th Division. A quick examination of an original example and the brush strokes can easily be seen.
I suppose it also is one of the images of the start of WWII for the US with forces in the Pacific wearing it while under Japanese attack at Wake Island and Pearl Harbour. dailyinfo[20]=' 10259 Private Charles BUCHANAN 1st Bn. Nearly three million of these M1917 helmets were produced by the time that the war ended in November 1918, clearly indicating the importance of an effective military helmet for the American armed forces going forward. Could be Kenny, it's not a British stamp mark socould have beenmade by one of the allied countries , if, it is American then it could be a M1917AI used between 1936 - 1941, the same period the MKII chin-strap. Your link has been automatically embedded. 2nd Bn. Results 1 to 3 of 3 blue brodie helmet(or not) identification. The helmets I have seen wereUSM1 helmets, however they might have worn the Brodie pattern too earlier on. Inland = Inland Manufacturing Co ( General Motors ) - Ohio. Do you know if he wasa civilian at this time, and could you take a photo of the inside of the helmet for me, and what. The story, for many years I wanted a bog standard WW2 Cdn pattern helmet for my collection, mainly a display piece. New user here. When the helmets are viewed side by side it is easy to see why so many people confuse one for the other. leon21 By 1916, Brodie helmet . I always liked the Brodie Helmet, sure as protective as other helmets of the era but a neat helmet. var fontend = ''
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Consequently a plastic liner, engineered by the car company, General Motors, was introduced, and it was this method, albeit with some alterations to the chin straps and other accoutrements, which was employed for decades in conflicts such as the Korean War and the Vietnam War. The M1 offered exceptional protection. By the by, not all MKIIs are British or even issued to troops. When the First World War erupted in the autumn of 1914 all of the major powers were lacking any type of military headgear which could offer effective protection in the face of modern warfare and weaponry. "Foyle." if (dailyinfo[daym] != "") { document.write(fontstart+dailyinfo[daym]+fontend) }
His full name was Kenneth George YeomanGeeson. dailyinfo[8]=' 13277 Labourer Klaas NERO South African Native Labour Corps who died 08/03/1917 PUGU ROAD 1914-1918 MEMORIAL Tanzania '